I've been in the lifestream a few times. It is no less than living, except no physical connection to the planet. In some ways more freeing than being alive.
Of course, death for me is not the same as death for others. My essence did not join up with the planet and I exist regardless of having a physical body.
[ That gets a look, but he isn't going to argue about statements he has no way to evaluate either way. ]
It's my understanding that the whole point of the Barge is to save people from death. If you're eternal, then being here must seem absurd. The redemption offered by the Admiral: worthless.
[He's not nearly as immortal as he makes himself out to be. While he's still super powerful even in death, he's also more like that of a ghost hanging on purely out if spite.]
More importantly why do I need redemption? What makes the morals of those here more correct than mine?
Which is exactly my point. Everyone has different views, so what makes some more important than others? What makes those with the title of warden worthy of it?
It's a good point. Everyone has different views, so if I told you the beliefs and values I use to evaluate moral claims - there's no reason for you to take any of that seriously since it's just one opinion among many.
[ Kirei talking about morals is the most unhelpful. ]
... Not only that, but as a mere mortal, warden or not, it would be presumptuous to think I have any right to hold a being so much older and more powerful to my own standards.
Well, I can't speak for the Admiral, but I think the 'redemption' of this place is highly relative and less about any particular set of beliefs and more about examining your own life and conscience.
If you don't think that's necessary, I would argue that to be intelligent is to be riddled with contradictions. Maybe you're an inmate because yours caused you to cross a line unique to you?
[ He tilts his head and shrugs, completely indifferent. ]
No. That just sounds like prejudice. But in their defense, they would have to be very foolhardy not to be wary - at least at first. At least until they got to understand you a little better.
But that takes effort and courage, and most people are very weak.
[ Kirei's eyes widen. He doesn't normally relate well to others himself, but Kiritisugu Emiya springs instantly to mind. ]
I know what that's like.
[ He says it before he can stop himself, leaning slightly forward, suddenly lively. He's no longer even thinking of Sephiroth, but of one day fighting that man. ]
Many think they understand, but that is not true. There's been other wardens here who pretend their situations make us the same. Or others who claim that they are on the same level because they don't see themselves as human.
He's not, [ he says simply. Kiritsugu is actually a complicated topic, one that he is conflicted about - or else he would never have had any interest in the Admiral or his deal. ]
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Of course, death for me is not the same as death for others. My essence did not join up with the planet and I exist regardless of having a physical body.
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Others are consumed, their energy -- life, memories, experiences all become one with the planet.
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It's my understanding that the whole point of the Barge is to save people from death. If you're eternal, then being here must seem absurd. The redemption offered by the Admiral: worthless.
Is that correct?
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More importantly why do I need redemption? What makes the morals of those here more correct than mine?
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... If you were to ask that last question to every warden here, I suspect each one would provide you with a different answer.
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[ Kirei talking about morals is the most unhelpful. ]
... Not only that, but as a mere mortal, warden or not, it would be presumptuous to think I have any right to hold a being so much older and more powerful to my own standards.
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So what is the point in believing in any aspect of this place?
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If you don't think that's necessary, I would argue that to be intelligent is to be riddled with contradictions. Maybe you're an inmate because yours caused you to cross a line unique to you?
[ He tilts his head and shrugs, completely indifferent. ]
... I really don't know, though.
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Tell me though, do you think others are right to fear you?
[ He's a little curious. Because he likes to hear about fear and scary things. ]
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But that takes effort and courage, and most people are very weak.
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I know what that's like.
[ He says it before he can stop himself, leaning slightly forward, suddenly lively. He's no longer even thinking of Sephiroth, but of one day fighting that man. ]
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... We each have only one person who can understand us. There the similarities begin and end, as far as I'm concerned.
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